{"id":4085,"date":"2015-07-14T16:18:33","date_gmt":"2015-07-14T20:18:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/66.147.242.160\/~stumbli4\/?p=4085"},"modified":"2015-07-14T18:14:05","modified_gmt":"2015-07-14T22:14:05","slug":"francis-leaves-communist-crucifix-at-the-feet-of-our-lady-of-dialogue","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stumblingblock.org\/?p=4085","title":{"rendered":"Francis Leaves Communist Crucifix at the Feet of Our Lady of Dialogue"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_4102\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/66.147.242.160\/~stumbli4\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/our-lady-of-copacabana.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4102\" class=\"wp-image-4102 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/66.147.242.160\/~stumbli4\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/our-lady-of-copacabana.jpg?resize=580%2C392\" alt=\"Praying to 'purify the impure' for FrancisChurch?\" width=\"580\" height=\"392\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stumblingblock.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/our-lady-of-copacabana.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/stumblingblock.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/our-lady-of-copacabana.jpg?resize=300%2C203&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-4102\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Praying to &#8216;purify the impure&#8217; for FrancisChurch?<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The Eponymous Flower has a <a href=\"http:\/\/eponymousflower.blogspot.com\/2015\/07\/the-hermeneutic-of-communism-pope.html\" target=\"_blank\">recap <\/a>of the Pope&#8217;s flight home from Paraguay where he was asked about the revealing gift he received from Communist dictator and admirer, Evo Morales.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span class=\"\">On the return flight to Rome Pope Francis answered a few questions for the accompanying journalists on the plane.\u00a0<\/span>The Catholic Church leader was asked also to explain the provocative gift made the Pope of the hammer and sickle with Christ from the Bolivian President Evo Morales.\u00a0Vatican Radio published the questions and complete answers in the original language.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Aura Vistas Miguel (Portugal Vaticanist): &#8220;Holiness, how did you feel when you saw the gift of President Morales with sickle and hammer with Christ?\u00a0What became of this subject?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-49347\"><\/span>Pope Francis: &#8220;I &#8211; it is strange &#8211; did not know that and did not know that Father Espinal was a sculptor and a poet.\u00a0I have learned that during \u00a0these days.\u00a0I&#8217;ve seen it and it was a surprise for me.\u00a0Secondly: It can qualify as a genre of protest art.\u00a0For example, there was an exhibition by a brave, creative Argentine sculptor \u00a0in Buenos Aires a few years ago.\u00a0There was protest art, and I remember a work that showed a crucified Christ on a bomber coming down.\u00a0This was a critique of Christianity, which is allied with imperialism, represented as a bomber.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The trip through Latin America has been enlightening for the whole world.\u00a0 Many people have not been able to relate to the way Francis thinks, it&#8217;s so entirely radical.\u00a0 But that is the world from which he&#8217;s emerged.\u00a0 Being a Latin American Jesuit must be something like spending your entire life at sea.<\/p>\n<p>When questioned about that evil Crucifix, his resentment is right at the surface. His mind goes right to an &#8216;imperialist&#8217; (American?) bomber.\u00a0 In FrancisUniverse, nothing Catholic can be taken for what it is.\u00a0 It has to be seen in light of some campaign, some ugly battle.\u00a0 Is it possible for Francis to see Christ&#8217;s death for what it is?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 It must be attached to the cause.<\/p>\n<p>But Pope Francis must now walk back and reassure.\u00a0 There are &#8216;many currents&#8217; to liberation theology, see.\u00a0 The sliver condemned by the Church was just one.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>First point: So I knew nothing about it;\u00a0Second point: I qualify it as protest art that can be offensive in some cases.\u00a0In some cases.\u00a0Third, for this particular case: Father Espinal was killed in 1980.\u00a0That was a time when the liberation theology had many different currents, one of them was the Marxist analysis of reality, and Fr. Espinal belonged to this.\u00a0I knew because I was at that time Rector of the Faculty of Theology and they talked a lot about it, and who their representatives were in the different currents.\u00a0In the same year \u00a0the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, Father Arrupe, wrote a letter to the whole society about the Marxist analysis of reality in the theology that he stopped a little, saying, No, you can not.\u00a0These are different things, you can not do that, that&#8217;s not right.\u00a0And four years later, in 1984, the CDF published the first small volume, the first statement of the Liberation Theology, which criticized it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>They didn&#8217;t like hammer and sickle crucifixes in those other currents &#8211; too much like communism, right?\u00a0 You didn&#8217;t like it either.<\/p>\n<p>If Fr. Espinal was part of the &#8216;bad liberation theology,&#8217; then why did you lay flowers at his grave, praise his &#8216;martyrdom&#8217; and his fight, accept his twisted cross, lay it at the foot of Our Lady?\u00a0 Is the Pope losing track of all the currents out there?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 It&#8217;s just &#8216;inter-liberation theological&#8217; dialogue.<\/p>\n<p>Dialogue is so important.\u00a0 Without it, you&#8217;d never get away with anything rotten.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Then came the second, which was more open to the Christian outlook.\u00a0I simplify, of course.\u00a0Let&#8217;s take a hermeneutics of that era. \u00a0\u00a0Espinal is an enthusiast of this Marxist analysis, as well as theology, for which he used Marxism.\u00a0Hence comes this. \u00a0The poems of Espinal belong to this genre of protest, but it was his life, it was his way of thinking, he was a special man with a lot of human genius, and who fought in good faith.\u00a0As I have done such a hermeneutics, I understand this.\u00a0For me it was not an insult.\u00a0But I had to make this hermeneutics, and I say this to you, so that no false opinions arise.\u00a0This object is with me now, it&#8217;s coming with me.\u00a0You may have heard that President Morales wanted to give me two honors, the highest award of Bolivia and then the Order of Fr. Espinal, a new order.\u00a0Well, I have never accepted a ceremony that does not suit me.\u00a0But he did it with a lot of good will and the desire to do me favor.\u00a0And I thought that that comes from the people of Bolivia &#8211; I&#8217;ve been praying for it and I thought: If I bring it to the Vatican, where it goes to \u00a0a museum and no one sees it.\u00a0So I thought to offer it to the Virgin of Copacabana, the Bolivian Mother, so that it goes to the Sanctuary: The work will be in the Sanctuary of Copacabana, together with the two awards that I received.\u00a0Christ, however, I take with.\u00a0Thanks. &#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>I have never accepted a ceremony that does not suit me?\u00a0 I left the communist crucifix in the Ecuadoran church where it wouldn&#8217;t be hidden away?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This pope is all fight.\u00a0 He twists and bends but he doesn&#8217;t really give.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; The Eponymous Flower has a recap of the Pope&#8217;s flight home from Paraguay where he was asked about the revealing gift he received from Communist dictator and admirer, Evo Morales. 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