Bishop Fellay is in the news this week because he’s met with Francis and continues to receive open arms and to be treated as part of the Church without the distance to which he’s grown accustomed. People marvel at this from a Pope who is such a liberal. What does swinging nuChurch Francis have to do with those stuffy, staunch, old-world separatists?
Despite the new warmth, the persistently honest leader of this virtuous group of priests has responded to the FrancisOutreach by telling him his massive exhortation brought him tears. He said it’s like a beautiful sinking boat with a hole in the bottom dug by the Pope. God bless the Bishop, and I agree about it being a ship with a hole in it, though I’ve read many snippets and none of them seemed beautiful.
Still, I’m afraid for Fellay as are others, and we have good reason.
The SSPX group rejects the Paul VI replacement Mass and the errors in Vatican II. They do not support Benedict’s hermeneutic of continuity, seeing it as an impossible blanketing-over. Are there unCatholic messages in Vatican II? Yes there are. That Council in the end presented some new ideas which contradicted Church teaching and tradition. It was not convened to put forth new doctrine and no new doctrine was affirmed decisively by a Pope. It was ‘pastoral’ only. Nevertheless it has predictably spread much trouble because people take it as doctrine, especially liberals. Benedict recognized the break. He said we’re just reading things out of context and blamed the media.
This has been the SSPX case when pressed by Rome to return to full communion. But now, in FrancisChurch, no problem! Here’s why this is happening.
Pope’s JPII and Benedict were there at Vatican II and supported it, but they weren’t its drivers. Those behind Vatican II ultimately were radicals, men who did not hold the Faith and were interested in disabling it, replacing it. Francis is of the same mind as those men who made it necessary for the SSPX to take their stand. He’s not a hermeneutic of continuity guy, Francis. He’s all about rupture.
The SSPX leadership truly seems to think Francis is simply employing his method of openness, dialogue and boosting peripheries. This is naive. Liberals only tout those corrosive platitudes as strategy. Radicals don’t dialogue with the Truth, only with evil and error. Faithful Catholics will always be a periphery to liberals, the more peripheral the better. Francis has no interest in promoting the growth and reception of the SSPX, so what does he want? There are two things.
Satan can create nothing. He doesn’t have ultimate power over things. He can only find ‘hope’ in destruction. In a sense he’s a parasite because he needs a host, a victim. In the same way liberals would be powerless if they couldn’t hitch their wagons to good things that decent people have built. They have to occupy and corrupt under the pretense of stewardship and good will. They have to become judges, professors, actors, and scientists. This is what they’ve done to our Church.
Today we have Francis, a man without Faith. He is completely in line with the philosophical school behind the sixties program that skewered the Church. Now he’s arrived to institutionalize the leftist replacement. The irony is, however, that if he can’t convince people that he’s Catholic, he’ll lose his leverage. He has to maintain the facade so that Catholics follow his deadly leadership. He, more than John Paul or Benedict, knows he needs the SSPX.
Just like the LA Times understands Amoris Laetitia better than Ignatius Press, Francis knows that the SSPX is Catholic more than John Paul and Benedict did. Winners have an awareness and respect for their opponents. He recognizes them as the sort of people they eliminated fifty years ago. He knows their beliefs have an ancient power, that they grow if not checked. Nevertheless Francis needs them desperately to come and make him seem Catholic, to legitimize him with their ‘union.’
That is the first reason. The second reason, of course, is that he wants to ruin them. Ruin is what happens when you ‘unite’ with a predator. He can’t install his FrancisChurch with them around shining their light on it. The SSPX must be integrated, then hollowed out.
How is Francis the liaison to broker this union? A Protestant is entirely incapable of performing any of the functions a pope must perform. Is this not true? Does it matter that he’s extended his approval for SSPX to hear Confessions when he’s also recommended absolving a silent penitent just for showing up? Do you think Oscar Romero was saintly? Was Paul VI blessed? Why for God’s sake? How low are we going to go in our criteria? We’re mass-producing. Before you know it Heaven will have this sprawling encampment full of FrancisSaints. Would you bet your soul on a new FrancisAnnulment?
What will they do someday with the thousand pages of formal FrancisTeaching and those plane interviews? What will they say about the Catholic defenders and excusers when they’re dead? What will Francis have to do before some of you admit he’s not Catholic? Show me the line.
I hear so much about embracing the true pope, receiving his teachings with profound respect, and the work of the Holy Spirit. This is all cowardly and presumptuous. Deal with it! We have a heretic in the papacy and, in the absence of anyone exercising their faithful duty to condemn him for it or remove him, he will go on wrecking the Church and doing everything to kill it.
And it won’t take long. This isn’t like General Motors. Francis isn’t a wrong-headed CEO making K-cars or PT Cruisers. In the Church you either build up or destroy, you gather or scatter.
So what did happen at Vatican II? Did all he bishops of the world come together in a conspiracy to change the Church? We know this is not true and the reforms completely ignored what these bishops. But who fought these Reformers it was certainly not those who ran away in the huff and would not stay in fight. How many priests and bishops asked when the altar rails were removed and the tabernacles moved out of sight – Where was this in Vatican II. Opposition and resistance was absent.
Now we have another nonsense. It seems that everyone who obtains a second marriage must be in mortal sin. This has to be true because we are told if they were not they would be able to receive Holy Communion. That is a totally illogical proportion. There is still the scandal given by couples living in inappropriate relationships receiving Holy Communion. And what rights anyone to judge the state of another’ soul. Perhaps they had a badly formed conscious caused by poor Catholic Catechiesis, perhaps their families were the kind who when a marriage failed would tell their son and daughter “It is OK, you can get an annulment” So an awful lot of people are responsible for the formation of a conscience in error, and maybe at the judgement there will be a forum asking the right questions. I do not believe that a soul who approaches God in a humble way is rejected and the motive is often the good of the children and the desire for the faith for their children. So stop all this living in evil and end of the Church nonsense just because the Pope said a very wise thing that not everybody in an irregular relationship is lost. You are not the judge, God is. A better approach would be to point out the scandal such relationships have on the minds of the young and how easily when one does it others follow. People like Kasper already know it does not matter since most divorced and remarried people go to Communion anyway. You really have a chance to point this out and try to change things. But again like Vatican II you are running away.
Don’t you see what he’s doing? Yours and Francis’ “logic” undermines the very idea of objective sin. This little shell game you’ve swallowed can be (and will be) applied to anything, which is ultimately the point.
Poor catechesis and crappy parents don’t exempt you from having to follow the sixth commandment, nor does that mitigate your culpability when you commit adultery. Francis is just wrong, pure and simple. And every other Pope for 2,000 years has been right on the issue.
You have no understanding of Catholicism whatsoever. Therefore, the churnings of your illogical mind should not be shared. They bring darkness and confusion, not understanding. The Church, contrary to what you and Gorge Bergoglio declare, is not there to rationalize sin, but to light the way for those who DESIRE to follow Christ. Those who simply wan to pursue their own goals need no Catholic Church to ratify their actions.
You say Pope Francis is a heretic, and you may be right, it’s publicly evident.
But so is the SSPX. Pope Benedict XVI has declared the SSPX to be without canonical status in the Church. And that its problem is not merely disciplinal but frankly doctrinal.
SSPX is a petit ecclesia with its own hierarchy and its own marriage tribunal.
Pope Francis and the SSPX are two sides of the same heretical coin. To see them embrace is like having the hole of the boat being plugged by another hole. Brilliant.
I think you need to check into the meaning of the word “heretic.” Ignorant people or people who know better but have an axe to grind have accused (incorrectly) the SSPX of being “schismatic,” but not even they have tried to make the ridiculous claim that they are heretics.
Yeah, tell Pope Benedict that.
The SSPX was declared schismatic by a Catholic hierarchy in heresy. How can men judge such things? VII was a deliberate undermining of the faith and Abp LeFebvre was a faithful son of the Church whose only aim was to defend the faith. St Athanasius found himself in similar straits in the 4th Century. Excommunicated by a pontiff infected with the Arian Heresy, he saved the Church. Your reasoning and argument are entirely invalid, though very nicely phrased.
Many of your assessments here are accurate, but I do not believe your assessment of the SSPX relationship with the Pope is.
If you view this Pope in relation to the liberal Lutherans, it all makes sense. Don’t try to read the Pope’s mind, just look at what he has done and is doing {for “praxy” trumps “doxy” according to Francis…} it all makes sense. His positions have been solidly to “expand” the Catholic Church through the acceptance of everyone no matter WHAT their beliefs are. While this smacks of Freemasonry, it is also Lund-Lesbo-Lutheranism as well, and the fact that Francis plans to celebrate the Divorce of the Church with same in the fall clarifies this.
SSPX is just another “denomination” that Francis is “welcoming” in to his and his sodomite allies’ plans for New Church. So we effectively have a neo-Lutheran “Catholic” Church in Germany, an “Anglicanized” Church in England and an “Anything Goes {including Traditionalists” Church in the USA and elsewhere, all squirming around in the same sleeping bag, experiencing the ecstasy of the “Joy of Love”.
Oh…and by the way, the fact that each one of those “Catholic” denominations will be sending their $$$$ {especially Deutschmarks} to Rome doesn’t hurt one bit, does it?
If Francis gets his way, I really do not see how ANYONE will be able to appeal to ANY dogma, doctrine or Scripture in the pursuit of ANYTHING called Truth in the future. See, laws of any sort do not appear to be of any concern to him. None at all. Not the law of Christ in divorce or any other Church universal pronouncement of the perennial Magesterium that gets in the way of the “Neo-Reformation”.
Read 2 Thessalonians 2 and I think it might begin to make more sense.
Yes, but I don’t think he wants to include ‘fundamentalists.’ They’re violent and against Jesus and the Spirit, just like those Pharisees.
He doesn’t care. Face it, including them won’t stop his demonizing of them. He doesn’t care. do you see any principles in this man? Even take his liberation theology. When he was a Bishop in Buenos Aires was he a Liberationist? NO. He was chummy with the powers-that-be. He’s a “survivor”, what used to be called in World War 2 a “collaborationist”.
Only when it is safe to be a Liberationist is he.
And so it goes. Don’t try to read his mind. Just observe his actions and read his writings.
I finished reading Amoris Laetitia a couple days ago and in the reading, it all becomes clearer. Remember, as he says “Jesus never excludes, He always includes!” What does that even mean? Of course it is gibberish, but with that little slogan in hand, pick up AL and his goals are all laid out before you.
“SSPX is just another ‘denomination’ that Francis is “welcoming” in to his and his sodomite allies’ plans for New Church. So we effectively have a neo-Lutheran ‘Catholic’ Church in Germany, an ‘Anglicanized’ Church in England and an ‘Anything Goes {including Traditionalists’ Church in the USA and elsewhere, all squirming around in the same sleeping bag, experiencing the ecstasy of the ‘Joy of Love’. ”
LOL! Great post. Let’s just hope the sleeping bag does not break.
By the way, while it is obvious, I’ll mention it anyway. The method of “expansion” Pope Francis has chosen has already been tried and found to be a complete disaster. See the “thriving” ecclesial groups of the liberal-Protestants and how they are “growing”. Which is to say how they are starving and dying. Not to worry for Francis! Ideology no matter how defunct must be aggressively advanced! {Hear the rousing strains of The Internationale?}
In a hundred years I suspect the New Church Francis is building will be nothing but ashes. Out of the rubble I wouldn’t be surprised to hear the soft calling of the Tridentine Mass.
Read CCC 675 and the Third Secret of Fatima and rest in the knowledge that God has given us fair warning.
SSPX congregations would probably double or triple in size overnight, and that will require more bishops (appointed by Pope). The fish will rot, but it won’t rot overnight. And it may provide a temporary haven for the remnant before the Great Chastisement hits. Then everything will be fixed or dead.
I’d have to concur with Rod H’s assessment. The idea of Bergoglio “dialoguing” with the FSSPX has raised many red flags and can only presume that he’s setting a precedent for something much more sinister: false reunification. He believes that accepting the FSSPX (without reservations) will validate his Catholicity in the eyes of the faithful, but will also allow him to extend that same invitation to protestant sects and other non-Catholic groups because in his eyes, “we all worship the same God” albeit differently. This man is a snake in the grass and an instrument of the freemasonic NWO. One world religion is what they want and they want it NOW.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Great post. The problem has always been that VII was a disastrous betrayal against Our Lord from it’s inception.
That these clerics tried to rid the world of the Mass of Ages is telling enough.
Men had risen to the most powerful positions in the Church who obviously detested the very Mass that inspired the holiest of our saints.
Thank’s to Archbishop Lefebvre they failed to completely destroy it.
Don’t think for a second Summorum Pontificum would ever have been issued had there been no SSPX.
This papacy is the culmination of the Modernist project which is a full on war on teachings of faith and morals. It is war by stealth, make no mistake.
I do NOT fear if Bishop Fellay accepts an invitation to be canonically ‘regularised’.
As long as there are no strings attached. I think it will be a powerful aspect of an eventual restoration of the true faith in Rome some blessed day.
I pray this pope and the whole ‘progressive’ element (which is still massive) will be shocked indeed that God IS a ‘God of Surprises’ in ways that will shock them!
I think SSPX seminaries will fill with young men drawn to Tradition no longer concerned that it might not be ‘schismatic’ as purported by the likes of Michael Voris et al.
The Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph, we know this.
Our Lady of Good Success pray for us.
I don’t trust Francis. I wouldn’t be surprised if he brought them back just to excommunicate them again and condemn everything they do.
To all: Alvin finishes the paragraph. Right on!
Folks, stop thinking of Francis as objecting to ANYTHING. He will accept anything {tho watch him try to control it!} Good grief, Pope Saladin adored in a Moslem Mosque! Are Catholics overall not outraged by ANYTHING? He promotes the supporters of sodomy! SSPX? Well, sure, the more the merrier! This should not be surprising. He really doesn’t care if there is disagreement…remember….”Everything is open to discussion!”
Remember when he first began this pontificate, he made a statement to the effect that he was the Pope of all Christians. READ the Pope.
This IS novo-Lutheranism…FREEMASONRY.
But READ the Scriptures; Our Lady of Fatima has pointed to marriage as a key doctrine that will be tested in the end. We have seen how the Pope has attacked this doctrine. Read Mt 14…see how important it was to John the Baptist and go back and read of Elijah and Ahab and Jezebel! And the words of Christ! God is not budging on marriage and His immutability is our warning. This man of lawlessness is exposed by the Word and the perennial Magesterium of the Church. As our Blessed Lord said in Mt 14, many are not give to hear and understand. Hearts are closed to the truth even as they are opened to the ways of the world.
I say to the SSPX folks, follow Fellay. Do not fight him. He is not stupid. Accept the Captivity as Daniel and the captives of old were told to do. We ALL must suffer for our sins and the sins of others. The years of captivity will end, and your good work will be there to help rebuild the Church.
Just don’t give up your message. Stay strong. Salvation comes by the hand of God. The fight has not ended. He will win. Be there when He does.
The second reference above should read Chapter 13 of St Mt’s Gospel.